| re: "real-life correspondence" between Elizabeth Weiland and Hart? | |
| Last Edit: AlanScott 03:40 am EST 02/19/25 | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 03:40 am EST 02/19/25 | |
| In reply to: re: "real-life correspondence" between Elizabeth Weiland and Hart? - Ludlow29 10:58 pm EST 02/18/25 | |
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| Yeah, he may well not have liked Oklahoma! despite what Rodgers said and despite reports that he applauded and bravoed from the box in which he sat with his mother on opening night. To clarify something in case it wasn't clear: I wasn't disputing the possibility that Hart might have had romantic or sexual interest in women at times. Not that the reviews of this film necessarily make it sound like the film portrays Hart as exactly lusting after or deeply in love with the character named Elizabeth Weiland. All I was asking was whether there was a woman named Elizabeth Weiland with whom Hart corresponded. One of the first things I recall reading about Hart was that he proposed to Vivienne Segal, who turned him down. And the story, told in Thou Swell, Thou Witty, about her going up on lyrics to "To Keep My Love Alive" at the first performance after Hart's death. I don't recall the book in which I read about the story, but I think it was so long ago that I hadn't even yet read anything about Hart being gay. FWIW, Gary Marmorstein in his Hart bio doesn't seem to believe that Hart wanted to marry Nanette Guilford, quoting a letter from Rodgers to his wife, Dorothy, in which Rodgers said that Hart was upset about reports in the papers that he and Guilford were going to marry. Marmorstein doesn't seem to necessarily discount the possibility that Hart might have proposed to her out of desperation to put a stop to the rumors about him. Despite what Guilford told you, I think there is less reason to believe that he proposed to her, but it's possible. It's possible that he did it when he was quite drunk. Or possibly even at a time when he wasn't quite drunk. But he seems to have quickly realized it was a terrible idea. Personally, I believe that Hart had tremendous fondness for Segal (can there be any question?) and that he proposed to her in the hope that being married to her might save him from some of his severe problems and would make his mother happy. How many gay male lyricists have written love songs for men to sing to or about women? |
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