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| re: Odd behavior in theater restroom | |
| Posted by: | Ann 09:41 am EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| They're not feeling entitled - they're worried about not making it to the bathroom in time. | |
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| Posted by: | Stagebuff718 12:58 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Ann 09:41 am EST 12/21/15 |
| Well, if that's the case now, it is one that has always been the case. The fact that it has become an issue for discussion indicates that a sense of entitlement *does exist* now that didn't formerly. Otherwise it would always have been done, and it would be the status quo. It hasn't occurred, though, until the last few years. I think it's simply inappropriate to have women or girls entering the men's room and violating the privacy of male patrons. Recently, at the Longacre (I'm pretty positive it was the Longacre), there were ushers/security telling men in line that we had to share the men's room and creating a line for women. That is *not* done at other theaters that I know of, and whatever the impetus for it, it's still inappropriate. | |
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| OK, you men keep making decisions for women | |
| Posted by: | Ann 03:43 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Stagebuff718 12:58 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Since you know and can judge them much better than they know themselves. You can read this thread pretty much right along gender lines. (and for the record, I rarely ever go to the bathroom at the theater - but I know many who can barely make it to intermission.) | |
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| re: OK, you men keep making decisions for women | |
| Posted by: | Sam890 05:23 am EST 12/22/15 |
| In reply to: | OK, you men keep making decisions for women - Ann 03:43 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Well said, Ann I personally hate public toilets and always find it uncomfortable - it really doesn't matter to me what the person in the next cubicle has between their legs. I hate urinals (pissing up against a wall along with a bunch of men seems to primitive). I've noticed a lot of (particularly younger) men would prefer to wait and use a cubicle. 'Stage fright' at the urinal also seems particularly common | |
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| Posted by: | Stagebuff718 04:09 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | OK, you men keep making decisions for women - Ann 03:43 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Your suggestion that this issue is about paternalism is silly. I don't pretend to know women any better than they do. What I *do* know is that as a man I want privacy in my restroom that's marked "Men." Women have a designated restroom and should use that. And of course we divide along gender lines! It's about women using men's bathrooms, and the incidental parallel someone brought up of whether a man would have a similar right to walk into a women's room. Incidentally, regardless of your personal knowledge of people using restrooms at the theater, I suspect that the same percentages of people had to hold themselves in all the past years when men went to the men's room and women to the women's room. | |
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| Posted by: | Ann 04:59 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: OK, you men keep making decisions for women - Stagebuff718 04:09 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Well, a lot of this thread is about people decided who is feeling entitled. And it's possible there are more women than men at many Broadway shows these days (and the majority of women do use the women's rest room). | |
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| Time machine?!? | |
| Posted by: | frankm 04:48 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: OK, you men keep making decisions for women - Stagebuff718 04:09 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Did the redesign of All That Chat entail a trip in a time machine? We seem to have landed in the world circa 1955 or so... you know, a time when men were men and women were women and they all knew where to pee! | |
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| Posted by: | PlayWiz 04:50 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Time machine?!? - frankm 04:48 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Even in "Urinetown", one knew which john line to join! | |
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| PlayWiz...Future/Past...not the same thing. | |
| Posted by: | frankm 07:47 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Time machine?!? - PlayWiz 04:50 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Urinetown takes place in the future. The post I was referring to was a blast from the past... | |
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| In H.G. Wells "The Time Machine" | |
| Posted by: | PlayWiz 11:11 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | PlayWiz...Future/Past...not the same thing. - frankm 07:47 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| it travels both ways, to the past and to the future. Things change, sometimes reverting back to how things were as well. But I get your drift. :) | |
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| Posted by: | KingTheatre 01:45 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Stagebuff718 12:58 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Good point! Well said. I would most definitely be one of the men in the restroom who speaks out against this; it's outrageous and wrong. I'd love to walk into the women's room to prove my point, but I'd rather not be arrested. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 02:23 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - KingTheatre 01:45 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| the idea that these two situations are comparable is a fallacy. most bathrooms have only one entrance. that means women are trapped in there should a man enter. until men suffer rape, physical violence, and murder at the hands of women at a comparable rate women do from men let's not pretend these are the same thing. i'm also baffled at how "entitled" applies to having to pee. like it's some privilege women should earn? | |
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| Posted by: | allineedisthegirl 05:11 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - enoch10 02:23 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| " rape, physical violence, and murder" Aren't we talking about intermission time at a Broadway show? How much rape, violence and murder can we have in 15 minutes in a crowded ladies room? db | |
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| Posted by: | Stagebuff718 02:54 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - enoch10 02:23 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| First off, dragging issues of rape and abuse, etc., into a question solely of privacy is irrelevant. This is not some issue about retribution for past or present abuse of women. If your perspective is that it justifies my privacy being invaded, then I say rubbish. It's fine if you're not troubled by women sauntering into the men's room, but there *are* separately marked restrooms. And you know full well that the entitlement isn't about women being allowed to urinate, so don't muddy the issue. "Entitled" applies to privacy. Women are "entitled" to use their separately marked restroom. And I'm entitled to pee in privacy in the men's room. If your attitude is devil-may-care, fine; just don't presume to impose it on others. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 03:17 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Stagebuff718 02:54 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| sorry. hit post too soon. the rest of your post makes more sense if you're talking about women skipping lines just for convenience rather than those facing more of ... an emergency. the problem is how do you distinguish between the two? is there some interview process women should go through before they enter a stall? bottom line: who cares? they're going in there to go to the bathroom for christ's sake. and the idea that women going into the men's room = men going into women's restrooms is ridiculous, specifically for the reasons i gave. if you feel like you can argue that they are go right ahead but i suspect you'd just be wasting our time. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 03:12 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Stagebuff718 02:54 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| >> First off, dragging issues of rape and abuse, etc., into a question solely of privacy is irrelevant. not if you're a woman trapped in a bathroom and there's a man you feel threatened by between you and the only door out. | |
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| Posted by: | Stagebuff718 03:21 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - enoch10 03:12 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Precisely why men shouldn't be allowed in the women's room, and why women shouldn't be allowed in the men's room. There's no need to discomfit either sex, no matter that a woman might have a more intense reaction. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 05:01 pm EST 12/23/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Stagebuff718 03:21 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| between having to go to the bathroom now and a feeling of discomfort felt by what i suspect is the few rather than the many which do you think should attended to first? one seems to easily outweigh the other. | |
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