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| Odd behavior in theater restroom | |
| Posted by: | Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| I know there are frequent threads on this board addressing theater etiquette, and this is something very odd, and probably illegal, that I have witnessed first hand on TWO separate occasions while at the theater. It is women walking into the men's restroom. This happened at ART when I went to see FINDING NEVERLAND. The line for the women's restroom was deemed "too long" and so three women walked into the men's room and used the toilet stalls. And now today, we (me and my two sons) went to the Radio City Music Hall Christmas Show and while using the men's room AFTER THE SHOW (not during intermission), two women came into the men's room, each with a little girl (probably around 10 years old), and used the toilet in the stalls. Now just to familiarize people with the men's restroom at Radio City, it appears to be "vintage" in that much of the fixtures are classy but very old fashioned (right down to the foot pedal you have to step on to activate the hand blowers). The urinals are on either side of the room, and are equally old fashioned. Very tall going all the way down to the floor with no dividers. The only type of urinal with less privacy would be the old urinal trough. Well, these two women marched right into the men's room (which had no line) with their two school aged girls because they felt the line at the women's room was too long. I even heard one of the little girls say something about not feeling comfortable being in the men's bathroom. The woman just put her hands on the girl's shoulder and pushed her towards the stall. It certainly got some shocked reactions from the men (and especially the young kids) who saw females in the men's room! But, as far as I know, nothing was done about this. Now, try switching genders. Have an adult male walk into the lady's room and you will have an incident that will make the papers. The man will be arrested and will probably have to spend the rest of his life registering as a sex offender. The lines for the women's restrooms are notoriously long in most theaters. But women just feeling that, because the line is too long, they are ENTITLED (and that what was the attitude of these women both times it happened) to use the men's restroom is something that is getting a little out of hand. Either these theaters need to make the women's room larger to accommodate more women, or they need to put an usher at the men's room door to stop this from happening. Women should NOT be using the men's room in theaters. (Or anywhere else for that matter.) | |
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| Posted by: | BruceinIthaca 12:43 am EST 12/23/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| The title of this thread reminds me of a children's picture book--"Something Queer in the Library." No doubt in the men's room--the authors of the book had to be in on the double entendre! | |
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| um, not a bit of it, Bruce | |
| Posted by: | showtunetrivia 08:13 pm EST 12/23/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - BruceinIthaca 12:43 am EST 12/23/15 |
| Speaking as a children's librarian, I can vouch that the excellent mystery series "Something Queer" (by Elizabeth Levy, illustrated by the amazing Mordecai Gerstein) have nothing whatsoever to do with the later, sexual meaning of the word. They concern two schoolage girls who discover odd mysteries in the library, the haunted school, etc., and solve them. Sorry to disappoint you. :) Laura | |
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| I've seen men walk into women's restrooms- MANY times. | |
| Posted by: | MistressAndy 02:20 pm EST 12/22/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| I've seen men take their young daughters into the women's restroom MANY TIMES at a theatre. Nobody freaked. Nobody got arrested as a sex offender. Nobody thought the man was molesting his young daughter in the restroom. I just don't get the problem. | |
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| Posted by: | twocents 11:23 am EST 12/22/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| they need to put an usher at the men's room door to stop this from happening. Women should NOT be using the men's room in theaters. (Or anywhere else for that matter.) Thank you! This is a disaster waiting to happen. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 05:16 pm EST 12/23/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - twocents 11:23 am EST 12/22/15 |
| >> This is a disaster waiting to happen. you are joking, right? | |
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| I'm still waiting . . . | |
| Posted by: | PatrickHSF 04:18 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| . . . for a catty, comic reference to "The Wiz Live!" in this thread. :-) | |
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| re: I'm still waiting . . . | |
| Posted by: | showtunetrivia 07:09 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | I'm still waiting . . . - PatrickHSF 04:18 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| The Lion had his own litter box in the wings, stage right. The Tin Man and the Scarecrow don't need to go. And everybody else had plenty of time during all the commercials! Laura | |
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| Some States Have Enacted "Potty Parity" Laws.... | |
| Posted by: | toddlin 03:48 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| Rest rooms for both sexes must be equal. Maybe it's time for every state to do it. | |
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| Posted by: | PatrickHSF 03:24 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| I feel unisex single-use stalls are not the answer. The ones I've seen (and used) are very private, nearly soundproof, and more like a closet in a house than a typical toilet stall with partial walls. With the latter, a person occupying a stall can hear the chatter from the waiting que and the occasional, sometimes passive-aggressive comment, said in a hushed tone just loud enough for the occupiers to hear, such as "I wish these guys would hurry up." or "I hope we don't miss the start of Act 2." The privacy of a unisex stall makes it easier to take one's time. I'm fine with women using a men's room stall, but then again a woman in such a situation would have nothing to fear from me. I also have perhaps a different view on relieving oneself. Yes, I appreciate people being discreet about their actions, but all humans have to do it, it is a natural, biological need. Just go in and do what you need to do and not make a big deal about it. Some folks get a little hung-up on it though. I wonder if the parents who casually shuttle their children in are European or from other cultures. My cousin who is generation older than me married a German man. When I was about 10 they visited and, following a hike with their 6 year old daughter, they all took a shower together. They didn't think anything of it, but to my naivete I remember thinking at the time that was about the weirdest thing I'd ever heard of. | |
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| Posted by: | PlayWiz 03:34 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - PatrickHSF 03:24 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Folks usually have to wait on the main line for the urinals or the stalls. Sometimes a guy might take the first stall that opens if he's really needs to go, even if a urinal would suit his purposes. I went to "Big Apple Circus" last week and while waiting on line, well, let's just say some guy at the urinal made a big show of ..... well, what was kind of unavoidable for one looking in that direction for an open urinal. There's usually not a separate line for the stalls, and I really think a woman would be very offended if she were in the main line; plus, some guys might get more "pee shy" if women were waiting on that line. | |
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| To pee or not to pee, that is the question.... nmi | |
| Posted by: | young-walsingham 02:34 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| nmi | |
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| Well... | |
| Posted by: | NeoAdamite 02:11 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| The situation is not symmetrical. Women have far more substantial reasons to fear men intruding on their intimate space than vice versa. Other data points to consider: At the Connolly Theater, there is a unisex bathroom, and some older women of my acquaintance will not use it, choosing to wait in line for the handicapped bathroom instead. They don't trust men to behave themselves, and it's hard to disagree. While The Public was under construction, there was a unisex bathroom on the ground floor, and there were similar complaints, but in that case I think it was that the non-stall activities (such as fixing one's appearance) were also unisex. Nobody has explained to me why the problem of insufficient women's facilities has only arisen since the 80s. Were there fewer women patrons? Were intermissions more frequent (in 1975 La Boheme had three intermissions, now it has one)? Were we less hydrated? Was it simply not spoken of? | |
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| Posted by: | Michael_Portantiere 03:54 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Well... - NeoAdamite 02:11 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| "Nobody has explained to me why the problem of insufficient women's facilities has only arisen since the 80s. " Where did you ever get that idea? | |
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| Posted by: | NeoAdamite 05:20 pm EST 12/22/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Well... - Michael_Portantiere 03:54 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Where did you ever get that idea? I never heard it mentioned, even among friends, until the 80s. Of course, I ran with a young crowd back then, if that matters... | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 06:02 pm EST 12/23/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Well... - NeoAdamite 05:20 pm EST 12/22/15 |
| i suspect it has more to do with when women felt comfortable enough to do it. women did lots of things in and after the 60s and 70s they'd have balked at doing in the 50s. | |
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| Posted by: | carolinaguy 02:09 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| A few years ago, I attended a performance at the Shubert and an usher chased women out of the men's room and told them it was a health code violation for them to be in there. Whether that's true or not, I have no idea, but it got them out. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 02:34 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - carolinaguy 02:09 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| now that you mention it i think this was the excuse they used when they - usually unsuccessfully, and often in carolina btw - tried to run men out of the women's room in gay bars years ago. there used to be this great gay bar in charlotte called the odyssey where the women's rest room was especially hopping. it may even be true. as issues around trans-folk using the restroom increase i expect such regulations will increase, especially in highly public places like theaters. | |
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| Posted by: | portenopete 12:18 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| I suspect that gender-separated restrooms will one day be viewed as an antiquated and charming oddity, the way that men's and women's lounges in restaurants are (something I am just old enough to remember existing into the the 1970's). In many cutting edge restaurants nowadays there are no gender divisions (mind you, there are no urinals either): just unisex stalls and shared sinks. At the same time, I don't buy the "emergency" defence in all cases: I have seen women getting a look at the line up for their toilet and make a beeline for the men's, laughing all the way about their behaviour. I agree it's weird and I think Teacher64 is right that there is a double standard at play that would not permit a man to do the same thing. I admit I get freaked out when I see women (or young girls with fathers) in my men's room lair, but I think that with familiarity it will become less uncomfortable. (A more pressing point, I think, is the reprehensible design of so many public toilets, especially the ones I've noticed recently in a lot of movie theatres that have capacity for, say, 40-50 men but just one narrow corridor through which to enter and exit, thus making for a madhouse after screenings.) (And don't get me started on theatre toilets in London!) | |
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| Posted by: | Teacher64 01:51 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - portenopete 12:18 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| The problem is that men and women do go to the bathroom differently. Men do not have to take their pants down and sit if they are just urinating. That is why the urinal is so convenient, it takes up very little room compared to the toilet and the stall, thus more of them can fit into a smaller space. It is also much quicker for males to use a urinal. If theaters were to dispense with the Men's and Women's room and just have gender neutral restrooms, the result would be a longer time for EVERYONE. So, if this were to happen, look for 30 minute intermissions to become the norm in theaters. (BTW, there was nothing to indicate that there was any kind of "emergency" with these women or the children they brought into the men's room. They weren't racing for the toilets and the girls weren't doing the "pee-pee dance" (as my kids always called it. It just seemed like they did not want to wait in a long line.) | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 02:08 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 01:51 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| >> the result would be a longer time for EVERYONE. which is why i don't think it will ever happen. as men we aren't good about giving up our privilege, our convenience even less. | |
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| Posted by: | NeoAdamite 02:54 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - enoch10 02:08 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| >> the result would be a longer time for EVERYONE. which is why i don't think it will ever happen. as men we aren't good about giving up our privilege, our convenience even less. More to the point is that his math is probably wrong. Assuming that women require 50% more time, and that a unisex bathroom has 1/3 fewer fixtures compared to one with urinals, there will still be a net time savings. | |
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| Posted by: | Michael_Portantiere 03:57 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - NeoAdamite 02:54 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| "Assuming that women require 50% more time, and that a unisex bathroom has 1/3 fewer fixtures compared to one with urinals, there will still be a net time savings." A net time SAVINGS if there were unisex bathrooms with no urinals, only stalls? What are you talking about? | |
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| Posted by: | NeoAdamite 05:23 pm EST 12/22/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Michael_Portantiere 03:57 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Do the math. I did. | |
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| Posted by: | Michael_Portantiere 11:03 am EST 12/24/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - NeoAdamite 05:23 pm EST 12/22/15 |
| Sorry, I can't do the math, because I don't understand what math you did. I guess you mean there would still be a net time savings for the women, but I don't know how it's possible that there would be a net time savings for everyone (men and women) overall. | |
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| Posted by: | MikeR 02:02 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 01:51 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| >men and women do go to the bathroom differently. Men do not have to take their pants down and sit if they are just urinating. I'm so glad that has finally been explained. | |
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| Posted by: | AC126748 01:12 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - portenopete 12:18 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| I, too, believe that single-sex restrooms could be the answer to the problem on bathroom overcrowding. The question is: will people who have been taught to pee with their own sex since they started using the toilet in the first place accept sex-neutral lavs? | |
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| Posted by: | Ncassidine 10:02 am EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| Having a restroom emergency is not odd behavior. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 02:14 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Ncassidine 10:02 am EST 12/21/15 |
| no, but what the OP explained is. women come into the men's room all the time for convenience. i, for one, have no problem with it. i don't think many people who spent time in gay bars in 70s would - only it was the women's room that got invaded. women who choose to go into the men's room are grown ups. they know what goes on in there. if they choose to go in there - who cares? it isn't like they're going in to cause problems. | |
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| Just last night at LION KING... | |
| Posted by: | StageLover 09:46 am EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| I was lined up waiting to get into the men's room at intermission, when a middle-aged man with his young daughter (maybe 10) was walking out of the men's room. Right at the same time a man had exited one of the stalls and was "doing himself up". When he saw the little girl, he looked mortified and I can't blame him. | |
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| I had to once.... | |
| Posted by: | crewbway 05:13 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Just last night at LION KING... - StageLover 09:46 am EST 12/21/15 |
| I had my niece...she was young 5 or 6 and had to go...there weren't any family-friendly bathrooms on the theater and I wasn't going to ask a stranger to take her to the women's room. So I picked her up, threw a jacket over her and into the stall we went! Once she got a little older, I would have her to into the women's room and I would stand nearby and make sure women in line knew to watch out for her. At 10, I wouldn't have taken her into the men's room with me. | |
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| Posted by: | MockingbirdGirl 09:46 am EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| Young children sometimes means bathroom emergency. And, certainly, you have not presented a shred of evidence to suggest they did so because they felt "entitled." Either these theaters need to make the women's room larger to accommodate more women... I doubt you will find anyone in this forum opposed to the idea. Unfortunately, listed buildings sometimes have restrictions that make it impossible. | |
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| Posted by: | mikem 12:55 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - MockingbirdGirl 09:46 am EST 12/21/15 |
| I've seen women in the men's room several times at Broadway theaters. Although most are apologetic about any discomfort on the part of the men, some come across as very entitled. I've seen some women (who don't seem to be in any bathroom emergency situation) talk back pretty vigorously to men who make comments that they are uncomfortable. Those women definitely seem to be focused solely on whether it works for them, and who cares if other people don't like it? I imagine it's the same mindset that makes some seat neighbors a nightmare once the show begins. (Again, most women in the men's room are not like that.) Part of the problem is that many Broadway men's rooms are very small and have the urinals in the front and stalls in the back. So people waiting to use the stalls are literally standing within a foot or so of someone using the urinal. (The guys who say something are usually older guys who are using the urinal when the woman comes in.) | |
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| Posted by: | Ann 09:41 am EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| They're not feeling entitled - they're worried about not making it to the bathroom in time. | |
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| Posted by: | Stagebuff718 12:58 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Ann 09:41 am EST 12/21/15 |
| Well, if that's the case now, it is one that has always been the case. The fact that it has become an issue for discussion indicates that a sense of entitlement *does exist* now that didn't formerly. Otherwise it would always have been done, and it would be the status quo. It hasn't occurred, though, until the last few years. I think it's simply inappropriate to have women or girls entering the men's room and violating the privacy of male patrons. Recently, at the Longacre (I'm pretty positive it was the Longacre), there were ushers/security telling men in line that we had to share the men's room and creating a line for women. That is *not* done at other theaters that I know of, and whatever the impetus for it, it's still inappropriate. | |
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| OK, you men keep making decisions for women | |
| Posted by: | Ann 03:43 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Stagebuff718 12:58 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Since you know and can judge them much better than they know themselves. You can read this thread pretty much right along gender lines. (and for the record, I rarely ever go to the bathroom at the theater - but I know many who can barely make it to intermission.) | |
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| Posted by: | Sam890 05:23 am EST 12/22/15 |
| In reply to: | OK, you men keep making decisions for women - Ann 03:43 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Well said, Ann I personally hate public toilets and always find it uncomfortable - it really doesn't matter to me what the person in the next cubicle has between their legs. I hate urinals (pissing up against a wall along with a bunch of men seems to primitive). I've noticed a lot of (particularly younger) men would prefer to wait and use a cubicle. 'Stage fright' at the urinal also seems particularly common | |
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| Posted by: | Stagebuff718 04:09 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | OK, you men keep making decisions for women - Ann 03:43 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Your suggestion that this issue is about paternalism is silly. I don't pretend to know women any better than they do. What I *do* know is that as a man I want privacy in my restroom that's marked "Men." Women have a designated restroom and should use that. And of course we divide along gender lines! It's about women using men's bathrooms, and the incidental parallel someone brought up of whether a man would have a similar right to walk into a women's room. Incidentally, regardless of your personal knowledge of people using restrooms at the theater, I suspect that the same percentages of people had to hold themselves in all the past years when men went to the men's room and women to the women's room. | |
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| Posted by: | Ann 04:59 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: OK, you men keep making decisions for women - Stagebuff718 04:09 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Well, a lot of this thread is about people decided who is feeling entitled. And it's possible there are more women than men at many Broadway shows these days (and the majority of women do use the women's rest room). | |
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| Time machine?!? | |
| Posted by: | frankm 04:48 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: OK, you men keep making decisions for women - Stagebuff718 04:09 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Did the redesign of All That Chat entail a trip in a time machine? We seem to have landed in the world circa 1955 or so... you know, a time when men were men and women were women and they all knew where to pee! | |
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| Posted by: | PlayWiz 04:50 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Time machine?!? - frankm 04:48 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Even in "Urinetown", one knew which john line to join! | |
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| PlayWiz...Future/Past...not the same thing. | |
| Posted by: | frankm 07:47 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Time machine?!? - PlayWiz 04:50 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Urinetown takes place in the future. The post I was referring to was a blast from the past... | |
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| In H.G. Wells "The Time Machine" | |
| Posted by: | PlayWiz 11:11 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | PlayWiz...Future/Past...not the same thing. - frankm 07:47 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| it travels both ways, to the past and to the future. Things change, sometimes reverting back to how things were as well. But I get your drift. :) | |
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| Posted by: | KingTheatre 01:45 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Stagebuff718 12:58 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Good point! Well said. I would most definitely be one of the men in the restroom who speaks out against this; it's outrageous and wrong. I'd love to walk into the women's room to prove my point, but I'd rather not be arrested. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 02:23 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - KingTheatre 01:45 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| the idea that these two situations are comparable is a fallacy. most bathrooms have only one entrance. that means women are trapped in there should a man enter. until men suffer rape, physical violence, and murder at the hands of women at a comparable rate women do from men let's not pretend these are the same thing. i'm also baffled at how "entitled" applies to having to pee. like it's some privilege women should earn? | |
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| Posted by: | allineedisthegirl 05:11 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - enoch10 02:23 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| " rape, physical violence, and murder" Aren't we talking about intermission time at a Broadway show? How much rape, violence and murder can we have in 15 minutes in a crowded ladies room? db | |
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| Posted by: | Stagebuff718 02:54 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - enoch10 02:23 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| First off, dragging issues of rape and abuse, etc., into a question solely of privacy is irrelevant. This is not some issue about retribution for past or present abuse of women. If your perspective is that it justifies my privacy being invaded, then I say rubbish. It's fine if you're not troubled by women sauntering into the men's room, but there *are* separately marked restrooms. And you know full well that the entitlement isn't about women being allowed to urinate, so don't muddy the issue. "Entitled" applies to privacy. Women are "entitled" to use their separately marked restroom. And I'm entitled to pee in privacy in the men's room. If your attitude is devil-may-care, fine; just don't presume to impose it on others. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 03:17 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Stagebuff718 02:54 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| sorry. hit post too soon. the rest of your post makes more sense if you're talking about women skipping lines just for convenience rather than those facing more of ... an emergency. the problem is how do you distinguish between the two? is there some interview process women should go through before they enter a stall? bottom line: who cares? they're going in there to go to the bathroom for christ's sake. and the idea that women going into the men's room = men going into women's restrooms is ridiculous, specifically for the reasons i gave. if you feel like you can argue that they are go right ahead but i suspect you'd just be wasting our time. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 03:12 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Stagebuff718 02:54 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| >> First off, dragging issues of rape and abuse, etc., into a question solely of privacy is irrelevant. not if you're a woman trapped in a bathroom and there's a man you feel threatened by between you and the only door out. | |
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| Posted by: | Stagebuff718 03:21 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - enoch10 03:12 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| Precisely why men shouldn't be allowed in the women's room, and why women shouldn't be allowed in the men's room. There's no need to discomfit either sex, no matter that a woman might have a more intense reaction. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 05:01 pm EST 12/23/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Stagebuff718 03:21 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| between having to go to the bathroom now and a feeling of discomfort felt by what i suspect is the few rather than the many which do you think should attended to first? one seems to easily outweigh the other. | |
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| Posted by: | Esther 09:32 am EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | Odd behavior in theater restroom - Teacher64 03:12 am EST 12/21/15 |
| I've seen it happen several times at rock concerts & sporting events, but never saw women with young children do it. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 02:29 pm EST 12/21/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Odd behavior in theater restroom - Esther 09:32 am EST 12/21/15 |
| i've seen it. every time i assumed there was a valid reason for it. i'd bet i share that assumption with the overwhelming majority of men. | |
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